1 00:00:21,220 --> 00:00:18,910 hello everyone and welcome to the 2 00:00:23,410 --> 00:00:21,230 skinwalker ranch panel at all the 3 00:00:25,900 --> 00:00:23,420 strange I'm marina Ellsbury from rogue 4 00:00:27,999 --> 00:00:25,910 planet today I'm happy to be joined by 5 00:00:30,339 --> 00:00:28,009 an awesome group of people as some of 6 00:00:32,710 --> 00:00:30,349 the team from the ranch and from the 7 00:00:35,619 --> 00:00:32,720 show of the secret of skinwalker ranch 8 00:00:43,270 --> 00:00:35,629 we have executive producer of the show 9 00:00:45,330 --> 00:00:43,280 TJ aller yes yes Esme and we have the 10 00:00:48,610 --> 00:00:45,340 ranch superintendent Thomas Winterton 11 00:00:51,070 --> 00:00:48,620 ranch manager Jim Morse and the head of 12 00:00:53,079 --> 00:00:51,080 security Brant Arnold otherwise known as 13 00:00:56,860 --> 00:00:53,089 dragon so thanks for joining us today 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:00:56,870 guys thank you thank you so I'm gonna 15 00:01:01,810 --> 00:00:58,850 start you all off with a softball and I 16 00:01:04,479 --> 00:01:01,820 want to start with the ranch crew just 17 00:01:06,969 --> 00:01:04,489 if we could go one by one and tell us a 18 00:01:09,250 --> 00:01:06,979 little bit about your job role and how 19 00:01:12,010 --> 00:01:09,260 you got involved at the ranch so let's 20 00:01:15,130 --> 00:01:12,020 start with you Thomas I'm the 21 00:01:17,910 --> 00:01:15,140 superintendent I basically oversee all 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:17,920 the facilities I oversee the ranch and 23 00:01:24,130 --> 00:01:20,690 coordinate efforts between the 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:24,140 scientists and security and then making 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:25,730 sure the infrastructure and everything 26 00:01:28,060 --> 00:01:27,290 is in place for both of them to be able 27 00:01:31,870 --> 00:01:28,070 to do their jobs 28 00:01:34,930 --> 00:01:31,880 so I Jim Morse the manager is actually 29 00:01:36,460 --> 00:01:34,940 the one that got me involved he happened 30 00:01:38,230 --> 00:01:36,470 to stay at my little motel here in 31 00:01:40,990 --> 00:01:38,240 Roosevelt on his way into town when 32 00:01:42,970 --> 00:01:41,000 Brandon four-spot the place and we 33 00:01:45,940 --> 00:01:42,980 struck it up and he asked me as a 34 00:01:49,060 --> 00:01:45,950 general contractor to come out and to do 35 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:49,070 a property inspection and through that 36 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:53,330 and helping in assisting Brandon and Jim 37 00:01:58,390 --> 00:01:55,690 and upgrading the facilities out there 38 00:02:01,180 --> 00:01:58,400 Brandon asked me to just stay on and and 39 00:02:03,610 --> 00:02:01,190 oversee it awesome 40 00:02:05,649 --> 00:02:03,620 it's all about who you meet in the 41 00:02:09,009 --> 00:02:05,659 weirdest of times so with that let's 42 00:02:10,660 --> 00:02:09,019 let's hit you up Jim thanks boring 43 00:02:15,070 --> 00:02:10,670 appreciate that 44 00:02:18,070 --> 00:02:15,080 yeah Tom's pretty much nailed it the 45 00:02:20,170 --> 00:02:18,080 this whole situation with the ranch as I 46 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:20,180 reflect back on it with the opportunity 47 00:02:24,699 --> 00:02:22,489 of initially going up to the ranch with 48 00:02:28,089 --> 00:02:24,709 Brandon fugle Hooper for the longest 49 00:02:29,020 --> 00:02:28,099 time really wanted Stan's China you know 50 00:02:32,110 --> 00:02:29,030 I don't know how much you know 51 00:02:35,289 --> 00:02:32,120 personally about him but you know just 52 00:02:39,489 --> 00:02:35,299 one of the who's who and on the Wasatch 53 00:02:42,369 --> 00:02:39,499 Front I mean the guy I go all the way 54 00:02:45,009 --> 00:02:42,379 back to him and he was 18 years old and 55 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:45,019 so there was a lot of loyalty a 56 00:02:50,619 --> 00:02:48,889 commitment on my part anytime the 57 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:50,629 gentleman calls I'm not only an 58 00:02:55,659 --> 00:02:53,209 attention but pleased to be there so we 59 00:02:58,509 --> 00:02:55,669 flew out one early morning about 7:30 60 00:03:00,550 --> 00:02:58,519 a.m. and of course I've had a little bit 61 00:03:03,509 --> 00:03:00,560 of a background working with Native 62 00:03:06,189 --> 00:03:03,519 American society was young adult and 63 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:06,199 never have been really out in the basic 64 00:03:13,300 --> 00:03:10,090 Roosevelt and so after he initiated the 65 00:03:16,020 --> 00:03:13,310 opportunity went up the ranch we started 66 00:03:18,429 --> 00:03:16,030 to go out there on a weekly basis and 67 00:03:21,009 --> 00:03:18,439 Thomas Lincoln was the first gentleman 68 00:03:25,839 --> 00:03:21,019 that I had contact with and they talk 69 00:03:29,050 --> 00:03:25,849 about good almonds and this wasn't by 70 00:03:33,219 --> 00:03:29,060 chance you know that this thing has been 71 00:03:37,559 --> 00:03:33,229 is unfolded as if as if it was which 72 00:03:41,339 --> 00:03:37,569 call it destiny and so tom has been 73 00:03:45,610 --> 00:03:41,349 Heaven Sent not only personally to me 74 00:03:47,349 --> 00:03:45,620 but to the ranch and rest of story I 75 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:47,359 think some of the viewers are getting 76 00:03:52,509 --> 00:03:50,329 from some of these episodes but this is 77 00:03:54,429 --> 00:03:52,519 an opportunity for the audience to look 78 00:03:55,740 --> 00:03:54,439 at real substance and not just smoking 79 00:03:59,199 --> 00:03:55,750 nerves 80 00:04:01,270 --> 00:03:59,209 sure and what it what is your your 81 00:04:05,229 --> 00:04:01,280 general duties would you say on the 82 00:04:07,119 --> 00:04:05,239 ranch you know the reality of it is I'm 83 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:07,129 out in the valley the Salt Lake City 84 00:04:14,110 --> 00:04:10,250 Valley between Tom and Bryant they are 85 00:04:17,709 --> 00:04:14,120 there hands on and in some respects 24/7 86 00:04:19,870 --> 00:04:17,719 so my real job has been real estate 87 00:04:23,709 --> 00:04:19,880 development commercial I say office 88 00:04:27,070 --> 00:04:23,719 buildings hotels and but there was there 89 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:27,080 was an immediate synergy in respect that 90 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:29,810 I had for Tom Winterton not only one of 91 00:04:35,589 --> 00:04:31,490 the great contractors out there in the 92 00:04:37,810 --> 00:04:35,599 basin but a hands-on I mean you know the 93 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:37,820 word Cowboys thrown around a little bit 94 00:04:43,230 --> 00:04:38,770 maybe 95 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:43,240 but this this is this is a guy who the 96 00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:45,370 real cowboy I miss the guy you know 97 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:48,310 brand he can ride a horse time sure with 98 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:51,610 the best of them is fantastic when it 99 00:04:58,110 --> 00:04:55,530 comes to equipment heavy equipment and 100 00:05:00,360 --> 00:04:58,120 is a big picture call that ranches this 101 00:05:02,969 --> 00:05:00,370 as I said is not smoking nerves this is 102 00:05:04,770 --> 00:05:02,979 the real deal and this is a ranch you 103 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:04,780 know you've got cattle up there you got 104 00:05:11,610 --> 00:05:08,910 the irrigation of relations associated 105 00:05:14,850 --> 00:05:11,620 being out there in this very remote area 106 00:05:18,260 --> 00:05:14,860 on the reservation and the Winterton 107 00:05:24,379 --> 00:05:18,270 family has a very profound good name and 108 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:24,389 I can tell you we lucked out so yeah 109 00:05:30,210 --> 00:05:27,370 awesome and yeah so from what we've 110 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:30,220 learned from Brandon he seems obviously 111 00:05:33,899 --> 00:05:31,930 we've learned that he loyal T is 112 00:05:35,999 --> 00:05:33,909 extremely important to him and somebody 113 00:05:38,370 --> 00:05:36,009 else and forgive me if I'm wrong Brian 114 00:05:43,050 --> 00:05:38,380 but you've also known Brandon since you 115 00:05:47,010 --> 00:05:43,060 were 18 correct yeah 18 19 somewhere in 116 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:47,020 there Brandon and I go way back and you 117 00:05:52,170 --> 00:05:50,560 know I guess it's that relationship and 118 00:05:55,020 --> 00:05:52,180 for years you know I've just been a 119 00:05:56,939 --> 00:05:55,030 close friend and confidant and if he's 120 00:05:58,800 --> 00:05:56,949 needed something done I've been able to 121 00:06:01,320 --> 00:05:58,810 help him get that done in in various 122 00:06:04,170 --> 00:06:01,330 respects and so when he purchased the 123 00:06:07,170 --> 00:06:04,180 ranch he asked if I wouldn't go out and 124 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:07,180 check things out and it became evident 125 00:06:11,459 --> 00:06:09,880 that we needed a security presence there 126 00:06:13,499 --> 00:06:11,469 with the interest of the place as well 127 00:06:16,050 --> 00:06:13,509 as you know some of the natural dangers 128 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:16,060 as well as the unknown dangers which 129 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:17,770 were actually trying to find out right 130 00:06:26,909 --> 00:06:21,490 now and so you know I took it upon 131 00:06:29,850 --> 00:06:26,919 myself to really head up that effort and 132 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:29,860 I take it seriously and one thing 133 00:06:33,899 --> 00:06:32,530 Brandon knows about me is I'm not afraid 134 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:33,909 to put my nose in there if I have to 135 00:06:37,709 --> 00:06:35,889 whether it ruffles feathers or not but 136 00:06:39,390 --> 00:06:37,719 but he appreciates that and he knows 137 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:39,400 that I'm gonna shoot it straight with 138 00:06:44,790 --> 00:06:42,849 him and that he can trust me and the you 139 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:44,800 know I've got his back first and 140 00:06:48,659 --> 00:06:47,409 foremost and that you know I'm gonna do 141 00:06:51,689 --> 00:06:48,669 what it takes to make sure the people 142 00:06:52,590 --> 00:06:51,699 that are out there to the best of my 143 00:06:54,990 --> 00:06:52,600 ability and with 144 00:06:58,050 --> 00:06:55,000 my power stay safe and taken care of and 145 00:07:00,300 --> 00:06:58,060 that we most importantly preserve the 146 00:07:01,890 --> 00:07:00,310 entire to the science integrity of the 147 00:07:04,590 --> 00:07:01,900 of the work that's going on there 148 00:07:08,310 --> 00:07:04,600 because it is a living laboratory he's 149 00:07:10,470 --> 00:07:08,320 invested a lot of money in the equipment 150 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:10,480 and everything else associated with the 151 00:07:16,290 --> 00:07:14,530 ranch and every time you know an outside 152 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:16,300 presence comes in there and everything 153 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:19,690 else it can mess with that data and rob 154 00:07:26,550 --> 00:07:22,620 us of days and weeks and months of 155 00:07:28,650 --> 00:07:26,560 important things so I know you didn't 156 00:07:31,050 --> 00:07:28,660 really ask about my duties necessarily 157 00:07:32,580 --> 00:07:31,060 but really at the end of the day it's my 158 00:07:35,030 --> 00:07:32,590 relationship with Brandon they got me 159 00:07:37,590 --> 00:07:35,040 associated with it in the first place 160 00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:37,600 yeah and and I think it's great because 161 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:40,720 what the audience may not know but we've 162 00:07:45,390 --> 00:07:42,610 tried to at least on our podcast 163 00:07:48,810 --> 00:07:45,400 skinwalker debrief is bring forward that 164 00:07:52,230 --> 00:07:48,820 you were all a team prior to the show 165 00:07:54,540 --> 00:07:52,240 happening so TJ why don't you take us 166 00:07:58,920 --> 00:07:54,550 through a little bit of how the show 167 00:08:01,280 --> 00:07:58,930 came to be Wow that is uh I don't fear 168 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:01,290 that much time I can give you the brief 169 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:05,170 the brief version um it all started way 170 00:08:10,710 --> 00:08:05,890 back when 171 00:08:12,150 --> 00:08:10,720 no I guess what it was is you know in 172 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:12,160 pitching shows and doing show 173 00:08:16,230 --> 00:08:14,560 development for a while anytime you 174 00:08:18,810 --> 00:08:16,240 would do any any time you would pitch a 175 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:18,820 show that was you know in that in that 176 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:20,770 world and I hate to say that UFO world 177 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:22,450 because it encompasses so many other 178 00:08:27,060 --> 00:08:24,310 things just the unknown stuff 179 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:27,070 quote-unquote anytime you would picture 180 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:28,450 that they're like well yeah it's not 181 00:08:34,830 --> 00:08:30,910 area 51 yeah it's not skinwalker ranch 182 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:34,840 and I just heard it so often that I 183 00:08:39,990 --> 00:08:37,330 finally was like enough enough what is 184 00:08:41,940 --> 00:08:40,000 it with this you know it's time and it 185 00:08:43,709 --> 00:08:41,950 just seemed to me after you know and I 186 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:43,719 had known about the ranch for years and 187 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:44,890 it was something it was kind of that 188 00:08:48,060 --> 00:08:46,210 untouchable you know you hear about it 189 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:48,070 and people would talk about it and it 190 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:50,010 almost it almost seemed like people just 191 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:52,450 everyone knew about it but no one knew 192 00:08:56,910 --> 00:08:54,970 anything anything about it so I just 193 00:09:00,480 --> 00:08:56,920 find enough and I just started digging 194 00:09:02,510 --> 00:09:00,490 into figuring out how do how do you get 195 00:09:05,330 --> 00:09:02,520 in touch with them and 196 00:09:06,740 --> 00:09:05,340 and you know really truly make up you 197 00:09:09,860 --> 00:09:06,750 know make some kind of connection that 198 00:09:11,270 --> 00:09:09,870 you can say hey look I we really want to 199 00:09:12,230 --> 00:09:11,280 bring this to the public it's time for 200 00:09:13,850 --> 00:09:12,240 people to see this there's too many 201 00:09:16,580 --> 00:09:13,860 unknowns too many questions too many 202 00:09:18,770 --> 00:09:16,590 rumors and just let's get to the truth 203 00:09:20,330 --> 00:09:18,780 of this and it just so happened in my 204 00:09:21,860 --> 00:09:20,340 timing just happened to be you know fate 205 00:09:24,380 --> 00:09:21,870 was smiling upon me because I just 206 00:09:26,030 --> 00:09:24,390 happened to have really good timing 207 00:09:30,050 --> 00:09:26,040 you know the branch has just changed 208 00:09:32,510 --> 00:09:30,060 hands and you know Thomas was the 209 00:09:33,770 --> 00:09:32,520 gatekeeper I mean he was I'll never 210 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:33,780 forget you know all those calls ahead 211 00:09:38,390 --> 00:09:35,730 for them and him saying you know look 212 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:38,400 man I'm I guess I'm if anything I'm kind 213 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:39,810 of like the janitor that's what I am 214 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:41,490 here and it's like dude you're not the 215 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:44,040 janitor what are you talking about no no 216 00:09:46,940 --> 00:09:45,090 no you don't understand 217 00:09:48,980 --> 00:09:46,950 and you know I mean I talked to Thomas 218 00:09:50,420 --> 00:09:48,990 for months and months and it's funny 219 00:09:52,460 --> 00:09:50,430 I've told these guys you know I still 220 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:52,470 have all the text messages they've never 221 00:09:55,610 --> 00:09:54,690 written back and forth because funny 222 00:09:57,590 --> 00:09:55,620 enough there was never 223 00:09:59,090 --> 00:09:57,600 females and very few phone calls if 224 00:10:01,130 --> 00:09:59,100 people believe that it's it's crazy 225 00:10:04,010 --> 00:10:01,140 that's the way kind of stuff having was 226 00:10:06,290 --> 00:10:04,020 through text messaging and it was you 227 00:10:09,590 --> 00:10:06,300 know random texts back and forth for 228 00:10:10,850 --> 00:10:09,600 hours and then just constant getting to 229 00:10:13,820 --> 00:10:10,860 know people like it took me you know 230 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:13,830 months I mean Thomas what like at least 231 00:10:18,140 --> 00:10:15,450 it has to be at least six months eight 232 00:10:19,700 --> 00:10:18,150 months more well I mean maybe before we 233 00:10:21,620 --> 00:10:19,710 actually kind of started talking on the 234 00:10:24,740 --> 00:10:21,630 phone is that is that right is that safe 235 00:10:27,110 --> 00:10:24,750 to say yeah I think from your first 236 00:10:29,690 --> 00:10:27,120 contact cuz when you first contacted me 237 00:10:31,820 --> 00:10:29,700 I told you you know I don't think that 238 00:10:33,530 --> 00:10:31,830 we're interested in that right now but 239 00:10:37,850 --> 00:10:33,540 you never know the situation can change 240 00:10:39,980 --> 00:10:37,860 and so and I told him you're welcome to 241 00:10:41,810 --> 00:10:39,990 contact me again in the future if you'd 242 00:10:44,180 --> 00:10:41,820 like and he took that to heart 243 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:44,190 and if it wasn't mostly over text but I 244 00:10:50,090 --> 00:10:46,290 do remember that you were faithful about 245 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:50,100 call on once a month and I mean you you 246 00:10:53,180 --> 00:10:51,690 checked in once a month but I I do think 247 00:10:55,700 --> 00:10:53,190 you're right I think it was like at 248 00:10:59,170 --> 00:10:55,710 least six four eight months yeah before 249 00:11:01,640 --> 00:10:59,180 you finally got to go to the next right 250 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:01,650 and that was that was funny because the 251 00:11:06,530 --> 00:11:04,170 the brief version was you know Thomas 252 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:06,540 was like finally alright man listen you 253 00:11:10,430 --> 00:11:08,850 gotta call Jim here's who I want you and 254 00:11:12,500 --> 00:11:10,440 he kind of almost scripted out what I 255 00:11:15,740 --> 00:11:12,510 needed to say so Jim didn't think I was 256 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:15,750 some crazy person calling him and he was 257 00:11:22,369 --> 00:11:16,649 you know 258 00:11:24,949 --> 00:11:22,379 know what you do and what your 259 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:24,959 intentions are and then you know Jim 260 00:11:29,299 --> 00:11:27,660 finally I got to speak with Jim and you 261 00:11:30,859 --> 00:11:29,309 know the same thing you know he was it 262 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:30,869 was slow going you know he was little 263 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:32,610 tepid at first but of course that Jim is 264 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:34,050 just she wants to give you a bear hug 265 00:11:37,309 --> 00:11:35,910 he's like he loves everybody so it's one 266 00:11:39,590 --> 00:11:37,319 of those like he welcomed me right in 267 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:39,600 and then it just over the course of 268 00:11:44,689 --> 00:11:41,970 another six months plus you know it took 269 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:44,699 me to get to know Jim and you know in 270 00:11:48,410 --> 00:11:46,410 June is that is that safe to say like 271 00:11:54,790 --> 00:11:48,420 you know I mean another period of time 272 00:12:03,230 --> 00:11:57,769 obviously very tenacious but in the 273 00:12:07,189 --> 00:12:03,240 polite way gentleman and you know it was 274 00:12:10,609 --> 00:12:07,199 baby steps you know because of the 275 00:12:13,669 --> 00:12:10,619 design of the ranch were if you were 276 00:12:18,169 --> 00:12:13,679 wanted to stay really in the back and 277 00:12:28,939 --> 00:12:18,179 one of the exposure myself tried to 278 00:12:30,169 --> 00:12:28,949 shield normal you get into ufology and 279 00:12:31,939 --> 00:12:30,179 everybody let's say you like some 280 00:12:35,150 --> 00:12:31,949 crackpot yeah you know we're 281 00:12:37,850 --> 00:12:35,160 businesspeople so yeah you're absolutely 282 00:12:41,239 --> 00:12:37,860 accurate and if it wasn't for Tom you 283 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:41,249 know because we get people coming out to 284 00:12:46,610 --> 00:12:44,730 the basin and they'll go to the locals 285 00:12:47,629 --> 00:12:46,620 do you know where skinwalker ranches do 286 00:12:50,569 --> 00:12:47,639 you know how to get ahold of somebody 287 00:12:52,699 --> 00:12:50,579 and and the names are legion you know 288 00:12:54,369 --> 00:12:52,709 I'd come out there and every time I come 289 00:12:56,869 --> 00:12:54,379 out I've got a notes look to me 290 00:12:59,829 --> 00:12:56,879 professor stone so you know would love 291 00:13:03,139 --> 00:12:59,839 you to call there you get inundated with 292 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:03,149 the curiosity associated with this 293 00:13:09,379 --> 00:13:07,649 branch yeah I approach cool and I 294 00:13:11,449 --> 00:13:09,389 approached it like it was a these guys 295 00:13:12,619 --> 00:13:11,459 were businessmen and but they you know 296 00:13:14,119 --> 00:13:12,629 just like in any business you want to 297 00:13:15,350 --> 00:13:14,129 work with people that you are drawn to 298 00:13:17,660 --> 00:13:15,360 that you like that you're friendly with 299 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:17,670 and that you can trust and I think that 300 00:13:21,410 --> 00:13:19,170 over time it's you know when you realize 301 00:13:22,819 --> 00:13:21,420 yeah I'm not just in this to chart out 302 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:22,829 you know oh yeah let's come in and make 303 00:13:26,809 --> 00:13:24,689 a crazy kind of show or something 304 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:26,819 ridiculous like no we want to do what's 305 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:28,529 right for the ranch and to present it in 306 00:13:32,019 --> 00:13:30,110 the way you guys want to 307 00:13:34,810 --> 00:13:32,029 um you know and after a while it just 308 00:13:39,790 --> 00:13:34,820 finally clicked and you know it's funny 309 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:39,800 when I first went out there it was you 310 00:13:44,139 --> 00:13:41,930 know the guy I went out with with Joel 311 00:13:46,180 --> 00:13:44,149 Patterson who I you know did this with 312 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:46,190 kind of work with me and putting this 313 00:13:51,940 --> 00:13:50,570 bringing this to - Prometheus and he you 314 00:13:54,370 --> 00:13:51,950 know we didn't he I don't even think I 315 00:13:56,290 --> 00:13:54,380 told Joel at that time what Brandon's 316 00:13:59,590 --> 00:13:56,300 name was because we used to call him Poe 317 00:14:01,840 --> 00:13:59,600 on the phone our code name was Poe for 318 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:01,850 short for property owner and so I would 319 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:04,130 never because you know that there's all 320 00:14:06,759 --> 00:14:05,690 these rumors about like how people are 321 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:06,769 listening to your phone calls and 322 00:14:10,180 --> 00:14:08,690 skinwalker ranch is is totally you know 323 00:14:12,940 --> 00:14:10,190 it's government and it's this and it's 324 00:14:16,810 --> 00:14:12,950 that and it's like man I better not 325 00:14:18,579 --> 00:14:16,820 say anything that you know make me look 326 00:14:20,350 --> 00:14:18,589 bad or put me in a bad place like I 327 00:14:21,370 --> 00:14:20,360 can't see this guy's name I know like 328 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:21,380 all the sudden guys could show up in 329 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:22,730 like front of my house and put me in a 330 00:14:27,460 --> 00:14:25,490 van and never see me again so I took 331 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:27,470 that all to heart like this entire idea 332 00:14:31,810 --> 00:14:29,570 of the secrecy and keeping it close like 333 00:14:34,449 --> 00:14:31,820 look this is what he wanted and so I 334 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:34,459 made sure hey he was Poe you can't call 335 00:14:38,380 --> 00:14:36,470 him anything else and even when we first 336 00:14:40,060 --> 00:14:38,390 brought the History Channel out there at 337 00:14:42,030 --> 00:14:40,070 breakfast the first time we brought one 338 00:14:44,199 --> 00:14:42,040 of the History Channel people out there 339 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:44,209 prayed and sat down and he was like I 340 00:14:50,199 --> 00:14:47,570 I'm Brandon big I was like huh he's like 341 00:14:52,630 --> 00:14:50,209 oh yeah we never told you his name I'm 342 00:14:54,370 --> 00:14:52,640 sorry so this is like they're at 343 00:14:55,900 --> 00:14:54,380 breakfast the first time these people 344 00:14:57,699 --> 00:14:55,910 are meeting and getting his name so 345 00:15:00,250 --> 00:14:57,709 there's a lot of secrecy around it and 346 00:15:01,540 --> 00:15:00,260 it was just a lot of trust stuff and you 347 00:15:03,730 --> 00:15:01,550 know these guys were great they let me 348 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:03,740 in and you know the rest is history or 349 00:15:07,630 --> 00:15:05,810 seeing it unfold in front of us but that 350 00:15:09,189 --> 00:15:07,640 was a long journey and someone had to do 351 00:15:11,069 --> 00:15:09,199 it and it just happened to be you know 352 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:11,079 me I was I was the one who kind of just 353 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:13,610 you know didn't stop until it was gonna 354 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:16,490 happen so somebody made it happen well 355 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:18,769 good for you because you know as as all 356 00:15:23,290 --> 00:15:20,570 of us are super fascinated by the ranch 357 00:15:25,689 --> 00:15:23,300 in the topic and what the heck is going 358 00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:25,699 on there it's it's great to have that 359 00:15:31,810 --> 00:15:28,399 insider view before we get into a lot of 360 00:15:35,199 --> 00:15:31,820 the filming questions I want to ask you 361 00:15:37,569 --> 00:15:35,209 all each how your you think your 362 00:15:39,370 --> 00:15:37,579 perception has changed since when you 363 00:15:41,139 --> 00:15:39,380 first came on the ranch I'm sure this is 364 00:15:43,180 --> 00:15:41,149 kind of a weird thing you have this 365 00:15:45,610 --> 00:15:43,190 person reached out to you or your friend 366 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:45,620 that says I bind this ranch there's a 367 00:15:51,340 --> 00:15:48,490 lot of strange stuff happening on there 368 00:15:54,070 --> 00:15:51,350 go explore it let's do a scientific 369 00:15:56,110 --> 00:15:54,080 investigation to what you've experienced 370 00:15:58,330 --> 00:15:56,120 over the course of the last four years 371 00:16:01,170 --> 00:15:58,340 investigating the ranch how is your 372 00:16:05,850 --> 00:16:01,180 perspective changed let's go ahead and 373 00:16:13,090 --> 00:16:08,320 great question 374 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:13,100 my perspective of the ranch my 375 00:16:18,850 --> 00:16:17,090 background before during the telling of 376 00:16:22,390 --> 00:16:18,860 Vietnam I was a military police officer 377 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:22,400 I've worked yeah I've been in 1951 said 378 00:16:28,830 --> 00:16:24,410 on the military advisory board of the 379 00:16:32,860 --> 00:16:28,840 state that ranch when I went out there 380 00:16:34,510 --> 00:16:32,870 had a frequency or vibration that was so 381 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:34,520 different than anything else I'd ever 382 00:16:41,260 --> 00:16:38,930 been engaged I'm not a tough guy like 383 00:16:43,630 --> 00:16:41,270 these these other two guys you know but 384 00:16:47,050 --> 00:16:43,640 I'll tell you the darkness make me 385 00:16:50,350 --> 00:16:47,060 wearing some of the people that we have 386 00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:50,360 engaged and brought out their last few 387 00:16:57,970 --> 00:16:54,590 years they they have had experiences 388 00:17:01,990 --> 00:16:57,980 like personally witnessed and ain't 389 00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:02,000 devolved right now and really what I'm 390 00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:05,600 trying to to do is bring in more of the 391 00:17:10,270 --> 00:17:08,240 spirit you know there's a lot of science 392 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:10,280 out there and they're validating a lot 393 00:17:15,790 --> 00:17:12,709 of things but I've always tried to 394 00:17:17,650 --> 00:17:15,800 embrace not only this property but life 395 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:17,660 with a level of respect you know it's 396 00:17:21,370 --> 00:17:19,250 real stuff treat people like you want to 397 00:17:25,770 --> 00:17:21,380 be treated and so that property out 398 00:17:32,140 --> 00:17:28,020 reservation there's a lot of things 399 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:32,150 happened good and bad and that's where 400 00:17:37,930 --> 00:17:35,510 we get into the war of the skinwalker so 401 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:37,940 as far as the experience isn't trying to 402 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:41,090 get perspective that that property is 403 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:44,570 absolutely an enigma to me it seems like 404 00:17:50,050 --> 00:17:47,210 and it's very random there's times that 405 00:17:53,410 --> 00:17:50,060 you go out there and you feel a level 406 00:17:55,810 --> 00:17:53,420 piece another bra sure you can go out 407 00:17:56,980 --> 00:17:55,820 there and he feels a closeness with his 408 00:17:59,169 --> 00:17:56,990 father 409 00:18:01,480 --> 00:17:59,179 as time as I go up there I think this is 410 00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:01,490 this is beautiful property there's other 411 00:18:07,419 --> 00:18:03,200 times I go up there and I actually can 412 00:18:09,250 --> 00:18:07,429 fill it as I'm driving in from song city 413 00:18:11,620 --> 00:18:09,260 you know by the time sometimes I'll hit 414 00:18:14,290 --> 00:18:11,630 Duchene it's like there's a there's an 415 00:18:16,510 --> 00:18:14,300 uneasiness and something in the air you 416 00:18:18,580 --> 00:18:16,520 know that's energy you know like walking 417 00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:18,590 into a room were you know somebody's 418 00:18:24,220 --> 00:18:22,190 having a bad day and you pick up that 419 00:18:26,410 --> 00:18:24,230 vibe and there's other days that ground 420 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:26,420 I haven't go out there and you can 421 00:18:31,570 --> 00:18:28,370 actually feel it in your sinuses you 422 00:18:34,690 --> 00:18:31,580 know you can drive around what I call 423 00:18:36,010 --> 00:18:34,700 the popemobile and there's just 424 00:18:39,150 --> 00:18:36,020 something out that it's like this 425 00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:39,160 spirits moving around we we brought out 426 00:18:43,150 --> 00:18:41,150 some of our Native American 427 00:18:48,010 --> 00:18:43,160 practitioners a couple of them said to 428 00:18:49,810 --> 00:18:48,020 me you feel some weight on us and his 429 00:18:52,090 --> 00:18:49,820 word was do you feel these Watchers and 430 00:18:55,690 --> 00:18:52,100 there's times I did there's certain 431 00:18:58,450 --> 00:18:55,700 parts of on that ranch that will talk 432 00:19:01,450 --> 00:18:58,460 about homestead - that brings an 433 00:19:04,419 --> 00:19:01,460 uneasiness you know personally to me to 434 00:19:06,910 --> 00:19:04,429 the point where you know obviously were 435 00:19:09,730 --> 00:19:06,920 very protective of Thomas and Thomas has 436 00:19:11,470 --> 00:19:09,740 had issues out there you know physically 437 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:11,480 which is not a figment of our 438 00:19:16,030 --> 00:19:14,450 imagination I've been out there getting 439 00:19:19,180 --> 00:19:16,040 ready to leave to go back into sollux 440 00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:19,190 and he had all the filaments and my 441 00:19:25,450 --> 00:19:23,120 ranch car completely blown out so 442 00:19:28,060 --> 00:19:25,460 there's an energy out there sometimes 443 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:28,070 it's stronger than others that's 444 00:19:34,780 --> 00:19:30,530 something I don't take for granted so 445 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:34,790 it's a really interesting people talk 446 00:19:40,570 --> 00:19:36,770 about ley lines they talk about this 447 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:40,580 gravitational pull it's got all of it so 448 00:19:45,730 --> 00:19:43,850 we're not out there you know somebody's 449 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:45,740 mind letting our imagination run wild 450 00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:50,290 this is stuff that can and be validated 451 00:19:56,380 --> 00:19:52,640 absolutely and I think you bring a very 452 00:20:00,430 --> 00:19:56,390 important role in bringing that the 453 00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:00,440 respect and the Native American lore and 454 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:02,720 legend and the people into it because 455 00:20:09,049 --> 00:20:06,410 they are at the heart of it as well so 456 00:20:12,019 --> 00:20:09,059 that's very appreciative 457 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:12,029 I think from not only my perspective but 458 00:20:16,999 --> 00:20:14,730 from a lot of people's out there because 459 00:20:19,789 --> 00:20:17,009 the science is extremely important but 460 00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:19,799 there's that other aspect so appreciate 461 00:20:25,539 --> 00:20:22,980 that and and you mentioned Thomas has 462 00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:25,549 gone through obviously some very 463 00:20:32,139 --> 00:20:29,039 disastrous health incidents so Thomas 464 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:32,149 outside of just the health perspective 465 00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:35,370 how has your mindset changed since 466 00:20:43,509 --> 00:20:40,440 working on the ranch it's it's turned 467 00:20:46,639 --> 00:20:43,519 180 coming on to the ranch 468 00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:46,649 I'd heard all of the crazy stories 469 00:20:54,139 --> 00:20:50,360 living in the community growing up here 470 00:20:57,169 --> 00:20:54,149 but I didn't believe in paranormal 471 00:21:00,109 --> 00:20:57,179 that coupled with you know I am strong 472 00:21:05,239 --> 00:21:00,119 religious upbringing that I that I'm 473 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:05,249 grateful for and so you know not I'd say 474 00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:08,129 between my religious beliefs and and 475 00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:10,679 just my mindset I come from a very 476 00:21:15,019 --> 00:21:13,919 scientific mindset my my brain needs to 477 00:21:18,249 --> 00:21:15,029 know how it works 478 00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:18,259 needs to be able to validate it through 479 00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:20,580 through something other than just my 480 00:21:26,450 --> 00:21:24,840 imagination and coming out there I think 481 00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:26,460 the biggest thing that I've learned is 482 00:21:30,859 --> 00:21:27,960 there's a lot to this world that we 483 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:30,869 don't understand there's a lot left to 484 00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:35,490 be discovered both both very very cool 485 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:38,340 and also maybe some very scary things 486 00:21:43,639 --> 00:21:42,330 and you know coming on not believing 487 00:21:47,629 --> 00:21:43,649 really in the paranormal and the 488 00:21:50,779 --> 00:21:47,639 skinwalker and these the orbs and the 489 00:21:54,529 --> 00:21:50,789 all of these crazy tales have taken 490 00:21:56,509 --> 00:21:54,539 place yet I've witnessed enough I've 491 00:21:58,129 --> 00:21:56,519 experienced enough out on that ranch to 492 00:22:02,090 --> 00:21:58,139 now understand that I don't know 493 00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:02,100 everything and and so I have an open 494 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:04,440 mind now as far as I don't dismiss 495 00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:06,210 things automatically like I used to I 496 00:22:10,909 --> 00:22:09,059 still I still have our time because my 497 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:10,919 brains still wired to want to know 498 00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:13,490 scientifically you know what's going on 499 00:22:18,409 --> 00:22:16,200 because I believe paranormal is simply 500 00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:18,419 just something that we don't understand 501 00:22:23,629 --> 00:22:22,559 the science on and you know a you 502 00:22:25,369 --> 00:22:23,639 using a cell phone would have been 503 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:25,379 considered paranormal 100 years ago 504 00:22:29,779 --> 00:22:26,940 because we didn't understand the science 505 00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:29,789 behind it now you know it's it's 506 00:22:35,299 --> 00:22:33,720 everyday use so and really that's why 507 00:22:37,399 --> 00:22:35,309 I'm involved in this endeavors I'm 508 00:22:40,399 --> 00:22:37,409 hoping that we can learn some of the 509 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:40,409 science behind the things right now we 510 00:22:44,389 --> 00:22:42,570 don't have any explanation for so we 511 00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,399 assign it to this paranormal category 512 00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:47,039 and my hope is that we can start to 513 00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:48,899 understand the science that's behind it 514 00:22:53,659 --> 00:22:51,720 and say oh okay you know that that makes 515 00:22:56,180 --> 00:22:53,669 sense we understand how that principle 516 00:22:59,480 --> 00:22:56,190 works but my views have been turned 517 00:23:01,820 --> 00:22:59,490 upside down in a lot of areas and I 518 00:23:05,299 --> 00:23:01,830 think that's important that that you can 519 00:23:07,609 --> 00:23:05,309 come on and admit that because it is 520 00:23:09,889 --> 00:23:07,619 we're all kind of left in a question and 521 00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:09,899 like you said we're all just basically 522 00:23:15,019 --> 00:23:11,940 truth seekers in the fact that we want 523 00:23:15,739 --> 00:23:15,029 to know and explain things we don't 524 00:23:19,879 --> 00:23:15,749 understand 525 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:19,889 so all right Bryant let's go to you when 526 00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:22,289 I when brain of hers told me that he was 527 00:23:28,129 --> 00:23:24,600 purchasing skinwalker and said you're 528 00:23:30,259 --> 00:23:28,139 purchasing what because I I honestly 529 00:23:32,379 --> 00:23:30,269 growing up in Utah but I obviously 530 00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:32,389 didn't grow up in the base and like 531 00:23:37,879 --> 00:23:35,820 Thomas did but I had really never heard 532 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:37,889 of it I'd never heard any of the stories 533 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:39,090 or anything like that 534 00:23:45,409 --> 00:23:42,450 and you know for those of us that know 535 00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:45,419 Brandon use something that they own a 536 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:47,220 pair of jeans so the fact that he was 537 00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:50,850 gonna buy 512 acres of property in the 538 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:54,480 middle of some way no fair it was it was 539 00:23:58,820 --> 00:23:56,369 surprising and and so he told me a 540 00:24:00,619 --> 00:23:58,830 little bit about it gave me a little bit 541 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:00,629 of back of the back story and things 542 00:24:04,489 --> 00:24:02,369 like that and so I said sure you know 543 00:24:06,919 --> 00:24:04,499 I'll go check it out I love the outdoors 544 00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:06,929 I love to do all that different kind of 545 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:09,539 stuff so I went and checked it out and 546 00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:12,210 you know you can't be associated with 547 00:24:17,899 --> 00:24:14,700 the place without somewhat absorbing the 548 00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:17,909 stories in the lore and I you know there 549 00:24:21,139 --> 00:24:19,830 were a lot of fantastic stories and 550 00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,149 that's what that's kind of what I 551 00:24:25,609 --> 00:24:23,279 thought they were fantastic stories 552 00:24:26,749 --> 00:24:25,619 because for the most part for a lot of 553 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:26,759 the time that I was out there in the 554 00:24:31,879 --> 00:24:29,129 beginning you know I never had any of 555 00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:31,889 those types of experiences with you know 556 00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,240 it would make me think and I refused uh 557 00:24:41,299 --> 00:24:39,360 try and make things out of nothing if 558 00:24:42,860 --> 00:24:41,309 you will because I never want to do like 559 00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:42,870 say okay I'm gonna become part of the 560 00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:44,520 narrative by saying yeah that all these 561 00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:46,470 crazy experiences because I've been on 562 00:24:52,910 --> 00:24:50,340 scheme or just not who I am and and so I 563 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:52,920 never wanted to do that and as time has 564 00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:56,130 gone on you know being associated with 565 00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:59,220 everybody and having some of the 566 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:01,620 experiences some that were seen on you 567 00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:04,290 know the television show and some that 568 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:07,080 you know I've had personally much like 569 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:11,130 Thomas my my preconceived notion of what 570 00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:14,130 reality was kind of you know made a 571 00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:17,820 complete 180 and you know as some people 572 00:25:24,410 --> 00:25:21,809 saw in the episode where we did see the 573 00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:24,420 UFOs show up it shook me because my 574 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:27,000 rational mind couldn't make sense of it 575 00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:29,490 and I think you know really that's 576 00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:32,070 that's what got me feeling that somewhat 577 00:25:35,299 --> 00:25:33,720 you know motion sickness feel and 578 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:35,309 everything my heart rate started race 579 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:37,410 and gentleman was rushing and everything 580 00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:39,929 because my rational mind was trying to 581 00:25:45,290 --> 00:25:41,820 make sense of what my eyes had just seen 582 00:25:47,230 --> 00:25:45,300 and there's no no getting past what I've 583 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:47,240 seen and what I've experienced and so 584 00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:51,690 you know we're somewhat programmed to 585 00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:55,440 believe you know what reality is or what 586 00:26:01,340 --> 00:25:58,020 we've been somewhat shaped to believe 587 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:01,350 what reality is and once you know I went 588 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:02,970 on the ranch I pretty much had to scrub 589 00:26:09,530 --> 00:26:06,690 that from my mind because what I've 590 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:09,540 grown up believing I've grown up as just 591 00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:11,850 stories or science fiction or whatever 592 00:26:16,490 --> 00:26:14,190 you know I've been witness to some of 593 00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:16,500 those things and never be able to deny 594 00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:20,400 him nor do I want to and I can you know 595 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:22,710 I can say a hundred percent but there is 596 00:26:29,620 --> 00:26:25,890 something we can't explain going on a 597 00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:29,630 skinwalker ranch and it's something that 598 00:26:36,650 --> 00:26:33,480 makes just too steep weekend but as far 599 00:26:40,820 --> 00:26:36,660 as my mindset I I think I went in with 600 00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,830 an open up an open enough mind that you 601 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:42,720 know I wasn't like oh this is all 602 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:45,450 garbage and this is all you know not 603 00:26:49,820 --> 00:26:48,090 true because again because I didn't want 604 00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:49,830 to say that I'd had they had 605 00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:51,000 experiences I also didn't want to 606 00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:53,070 discount people for saying that they had 607 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:55,350 had those experiences and so now that 608 00:27:00,680 --> 00:26:57,570 I've been able to be a part of it and be 609 00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:00,690 associated with these people and see the 610 00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:03,510 things that I have my perspective on the 611 00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:07,529 universe or existence or you know the 612 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:10,440 normal mindset has completely changed I 613 00:27:15,889 --> 00:27:13,610 think you just have already in that 614 00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:15,899 encapsulated the answer to my next 615 00:27:22,029 --> 00:27:19,260 question which is and to all ask 616 00:27:24,620 --> 00:27:22,039 everyone as much as you feel comfortable 617 00:27:26,259 --> 00:27:24,630 what is the most perplexing or 618 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:26,269 mysterious thing you've personally 619 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:28,769 experienced or seen on the ranch and 620 00:27:35,539 --> 00:27:30,809 perhaps that UFO isn't that for you 621 00:27:38,299 --> 00:27:35,549 Bryant but I believe it might be miss 622 00:27:39,740 --> 00:27:38,309 part is visually definitely I mean you 623 00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:39,750 know there was no mistaking and it's 624 00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:42,539 unfortunate that the cameras didn't do 625 00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:44,220 it justice because it was it was a 626 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:46,350 pretty spectacular thing and the beauty 627 00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:47,700 of it is is we had all kinds of 628 00:27:53,629 --> 00:27:52,080 instrumentation going off as well as we 629 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:53,639 have many eyewitnesses we talked about 630 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:55,049 the five of us that we're standing on 631 00:27:59,720 --> 00:27:56,970 the helicopter pad at this time we had a 632 00:28:02,659 --> 00:27:59,730 whole production crew that saw you know 633 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:02,669 much of what we did and and were shaken 634 00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:05,460 much like I was because you know they 635 00:28:11,509 --> 00:28:06,990 came into and yeah we're here to make a 636 00:28:15,379 --> 00:28:11,519 TV show and so that definitely was was 637 00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:15,389 visually but I think you know the non 638 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:18,600 visual things the feelings that I get on 639 00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:21,450 the ranch are probably even a little bit 640 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:23,070 more profound because there's times you 641 00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:25,110 go to sections of that ranch and if you 642 00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:26,940 you're almost overwhelmed with a good 643 00:28:29,710 --> 00:28:27,630 feeling 644 00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:29,720 Jim kind of touched on that a little bit 645 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,840 and it's amazing and then you can go to 646 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:36,240 that same place or even just a place a 647 00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:37,769 little bit further away and it's the 648 00:28:43,009 --> 00:28:40,860 most dark ominous make every hair on 649 00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,019 your body stand on end type of a feeling 650 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:44,880 to where you almost feel like the world 651 00:28:52,820 --> 00:28:47,730 is coming in on you and you know it's 652 00:28:55,129 --> 00:28:52,830 that kind of you know the the I guess 653 00:28:57,860 --> 00:28:55,139 the vastness and the feelings you can 654 00:28:59,299 --> 00:28:57,870 get there and almost like there's I hate 655 00:29:01,129 --> 00:28:59,309 to put it this way but a good versus 656 00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:01,139 evil almost type you know well I'll say 657 00:29:05,060 --> 00:29:03,179 this a light versus dark 658 00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,070 mentality on the ranch it's almost like 659 00:29:09,019 --> 00:29:07,200 it's a bipolar place it can be wonderful 660 00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,029 or it can be awful and I think it's 661 00:29:13,459 --> 00:29:11,279 those feelings that have had the most 662 00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:13,469 effect on me to where I really I treat 663 00:29:19,969 --> 00:29:16,289 it with respect and you know try and 664 00:29:22,129 --> 00:29:19,979 make sure that you know I somewhat tread 665 00:29:23,899 --> 00:29:22,139 lightly around the place I think that's 666 00:29:26,329 --> 00:29:23,909 that's a good notice that transient 667 00:29:28,009 --> 00:29:26,339 nature of the beast so to speak that 668 00:29:31,459 --> 00:29:28,019 that we're seeing that that could be 669 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:31,469 that good versus bad in different areas 670 00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:33,570 at different times and you make a good 671 00:29:39,259 --> 00:29:38,039 point the TV saw the witnesses as just 672 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:39,269 the crew but there were a lot of people 673 00:29:45,019 --> 00:29:41,609 behind that in TJ you were are one of 674 00:29:47,779 --> 00:29:45,029 them what for you behind the scenes was 675 00:29:50,959 --> 00:29:47,789 the most perplexing thing you witnessed 676 00:29:54,499 --> 00:29:50,969 on the ranch the most perplexing thing I 677 00:29:56,659 --> 00:29:54,509 witnessed was I still know how to 678 00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:56,669 describe it I kept referring to them as 679 00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:00,059 potato sacks flying potato sacks and I 680 00:30:04,219 --> 00:30:02,070 still I know that Eric had one camera 681 00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,229 that picked them up while we were there 682 00:30:08,749 --> 00:30:07,440 was one of the first times first times I 683 00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:08,759 was there when after Thomas had built 684 00:30:15,589 --> 00:30:10,409 the helicopter pad after the helicopter 685 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:15,599 pad was built the it just we were we 686 00:30:19,369 --> 00:30:18,210 were on the ground and I can't I don't 687 00:30:23,299 --> 00:30:19,379 know how else to describe it but it just 688 00:30:26,180 --> 00:30:23,309 looked like a bunch of dancing potato 689 00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:26,190 sacks literally at the skyline at the 690 00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:29,700 tree line and it there was no way that I 691 00:30:33,469 --> 00:30:31,799 could not have seen I have tucked them 692 00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:33,479 off like as they turned the corner I 693 00:30:37,609 --> 00:30:34,950 grabbed my camera and I started filming 694 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:37,619 just right my cell phone camera and as 695 00:30:41,659 --> 00:30:39,690 I'm running toward it just as I turned 696 00:30:43,639 --> 00:30:41,669 around got past a tree you would think 697 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:43,649 that okay I'm seeing a bus you know a 698 00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,690 sprawling tree line I would be able to 699 00:30:49,509 --> 00:30:47,279 see them like if it were birds or 700 00:30:51,859 --> 00:30:49,519 something else just flying away and 701 00:30:55,009 --> 00:30:51,869 nothing nothing and it was like there's 702 00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:55,019 no way that it just is not possible and 703 00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:57,179 luckily because I thought I was losing 704 00:31:00,799 --> 00:30:58,559 my mind I'm pretty sure everyone thought 705 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:00,809 like all he's making up no I'm 706 00:31:04,729 --> 00:31:02,849 looking at this chasing it around this 707 00:31:06,349 --> 00:31:04,739 corner and it's like no I know how to 708 00:31:08,749 --> 00:31:06,359 use a camera I know how to like I know 709 00:31:10,729 --> 00:31:08,759 what I'm doing and luckily Eric one 710 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:10,739 camera caught the tail end of one of 711 00:31:14,779 --> 00:31:12,570 these things just kind of whipping 712 00:31:16,530 --> 00:31:14,789 around the corner and thank God because 713 00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:16,540 I felt validated at that point 714 00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:18,310 it was something that just could never I 715 00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:20,980 don't even know what it was and you know 716 00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:22,660 I I kept trying to rationalize it as a 717 00:31:26,790 --> 00:31:25,240 bird or something else or is something 718 00:31:28,860 --> 00:31:26,800 just being kicked up from the helicopter 719 00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:28,870 but it was too far away for that and it 720 00:31:33,630 --> 00:31:32,260 was just it moved to intelligently so to 721 00:31:36,270 --> 00:31:33,640 speak I mean I don't want to say that 722 00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:36,280 give us being piloted or driven or 723 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:37,720 something but it was just something that 724 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:39,970 knew to get the hell out of the way 725 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:42,250 and I just don't know what else to say I 726 00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:45,010 mean that from what I've what I'd seen 727 00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:46,540 with my own two eyes that was probably 728 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:50,440 the you know the most perplexing I think 729 00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:51,610 I mean a lot of other stuff has happened 730 00:31:57,570 --> 00:31:53,230 there but that was the thing that really 731 00:31:59,970 --> 00:31:57,580 got me so that provided me with a very 732 00:32:01,730 --> 00:31:59,980 not to make light of it a very odd image 733 00:32:05,310 --> 00:32:01,740 I'm thinking about potato racks that 734 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:05,320 race in the sky yes yes now that's all I 735 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:07,210 can imagine you you know what here's a 736 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:10,210 better descriptor was the you know the 737 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:12,370 Wraiths from the Lord of the Rings you 738 00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:15,730 know that the five horsemen and how they 739 00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:18,640 were kind of like like just um like 740 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:20,950 cloth ish you know like like the ragged 741 00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,690 cloth like they weren't a physical form 742 00:32:26,670 --> 00:32:24,880 was a ragged cloth that's kind of the 743 00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:26,680 best way to you know another a better 744 00:32:30,540 --> 00:32:28,960 descriptor than a potato sack so to give 745 00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:30,550 you a better visual than a potato rack 746 00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,750 potato sack racing this guy the Lord of 747 00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:39,760 the Rings makes it a lot more ominous 748 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:42,190 right it was I felt that it was ominous 749 00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:44,110 but yeah it was uh it's pretty amazing 750 00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:46,510 it was pretty amazing so Jim how about 751 00:32:59,070 --> 00:32:55,600 you canines military perimeter checks 752 00:33:01,650 --> 00:32:59,080 and there was one there were three four 753 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:01,660 separate people we're not family members 754 00:33:09,210 --> 00:33:05,890 per se they had we've got this like 755 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:09,220 infrared light that we can go as realm 756 00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:10,930 Patrol you know can't hit the book list 757 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:14,320 and this individuals with acknowledge 758 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:17,530 there's some red eyes that were peering 759 00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:21,370 looking at us and and I acknowledge them 760 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:24,340 the red eyes I was just looking through 761 00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:28,570 me I it was not a mountain lion which we 762 00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:30,660 have out there was none 763 00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:35,110 and you know III validated along to 764 00:33:40,530 --> 00:33:36,990 three other people what is that and 765 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:40,540 cursing red eyes and you know a lot of 766 00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:42,490 people out here can say hey you know you 767 00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:44,830 you saw skinwalker you know a 768 00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:45,430 shapeshifter 769 00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:48,760 I don't know where it was but as I tell 770 00:33:54,510 --> 00:33:51,340 people to my knowledge I was something 771 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:54,520 not from this earth yeah that was a 772 00:33:59,520 --> 00:33:56,410 little bit of a wake-up call 773 00:34:02,970 --> 00:33:59,530 but as Bryant alluded to you know just 774 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:02,980 that feeling you know that you get with 775 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:05,110 people that are like workers and then 776 00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,330 you get people unfortunately that are 777 00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:10,000 burdened with life and you can just feel 778 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:13,060 that downer when you're around in that 779 00:34:20,430 --> 00:34:16,210 ranch unfortunately has those feelings 780 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:20,440 that mixed bag of good and bad and you 781 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:22,930 know I think we all choose disjunction 782 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:25,330 of our light to reach out embrace the 783 00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:27,970 light I know I know personally I do I've 784 00:34:32,580 --> 00:34:30,790 been to the dark that's not something I 785 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:32,590 want to be around I can tell you that 786 00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:36,010 ranch fortunately a family member when 787 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:37,750 we get very concerned about the 788 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:40,510 well-being of each of us some of the 789 00:34:46,980 --> 00:34:45,010 things that happen on that ranch that I 790 00:34:49,290 --> 00:34:46,990 don't I don't know how to describe them 791 00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:49,300 you know this Bryant and our other 792 00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:53,620 security calum things happened were if 793 00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,510 somebody in the middle of the night 794 00:35:00,180 --> 00:34:57,280 somebody there need the side of their 795 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:00,190 bed you know Thomas has had no verbally 796 00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,770 you know he's witnessed things that has 797 00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:05,200 basically put him on notice get off the 798 00:35:12,990 --> 00:35:08,020 ranch those are things that I don't 799 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:13,000 welcome and I'm a scaredy cat and less 800 00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:16,450 is more to me so maybe the red-eyes is 801 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:19,620 probably one of the most profound things 802 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:22,090 and and that's one of the things that's 803 00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:24,130 long been reported on the ranch and one 804 00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,070 of the things that I probably myself 805 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:30,240 would find one of the most terrifying 806 00:35:35,460 --> 00:35:32,050 experiences as well 807 00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:35,470 because it's so unknown and in like you 808 00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:38,260 said a lot of times it's very visible 809 00:35:43,150 --> 00:35:41,680 that the people on the ranch know how to 810 00:35:45,130 --> 00:35:43,160 decipher 811 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:45,140 holes in my eyes and and things like 812 00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:47,090 that and this clearly something 813 00:35:55,090 --> 00:35:49,510 different and unique aspect is 814 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:55,100 terrifying so that I mean that's a 815 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:57,170 feeling when something would such as 816 00:36:02,890 --> 00:35:58,490 you're looking at me 817 00:36:05,620 --> 00:36:02,900 and and they look right at you and it 818 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:05,630 penetrates your salt your spirit and 819 00:36:09,850 --> 00:36:09,110 then looked away acknowledged it looks 820 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:09,860 back at you 821 00:36:16,690 --> 00:36:14,090 and then dissipates so I'm not sure how 822 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:16,700 to embrace that other than the feeling 823 00:36:24,010 --> 00:36:19,850 that very uncomfortable not something 824 00:36:28,030 --> 00:36:24,020 that I was willing to walk towards and 825 00:36:29,650 --> 00:36:28,040 I've yet to see it again there's other 826 00:36:32,530 --> 00:36:29,660 witnesses that I have been with that 827 00:36:36,850 --> 00:36:32,540 have seen things and there's no reason 828 00:36:40,090 --> 00:36:36,860 for their their imaginations run wild so 829 00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:40,100 there's there's a lot unknown out there 830 00:36:45,010 --> 00:36:42,350 and I think and I really believe what's 831 00:36:47,470 --> 00:36:45,020 going to happen if there's such thing is 832 00:36:51,370 --> 00:36:47,480 another season out there things will 833 00:36:54,490 --> 00:36:51,380 continue to come to the forefront very 834 00:36:57,610 --> 00:36:54,500 active out there right now I think we 835 00:37:00,220 --> 00:36:57,620 all hope so and Thomas you probably at 836 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:00,230 least from what we've seen out of this 837 00:37:07,150 --> 00:37:03,530 specific ranch group is have suffered 838 00:37:10,330 --> 00:37:07,160 the most medical tragedy tragedy on the 839 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:10,340 ranch I should say so I 840 00:37:15,580 --> 00:37:13,610 what for you has been the most 841 00:37:19,690 --> 00:37:15,590 mysterious experience if it is something 842 00:37:21,790 --> 00:37:19,700 other than that you know I've spent 843 00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:21,800 literally thousands of hours on that 844 00:37:28,270 --> 00:37:25,940 ranch that's coming on to the team and I 845 00:37:30,940 --> 00:37:28,280 don't know if it's because of the amount 846 00:37:33,850 --> 00:37:30,950 of hours and they spend or if it's 847 00:37:41,380 --> 00:37:33,860 because there's something in me that 848 00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:41,390 singles me out but I I would I mean my 849 00:37:47,650 --> 00:37:44,240 injury definitely takes the cake that 850 00:37:49,180 --> 00:37:47,660 turned my world upside down everything 851 00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,190 that was involved with that from the 852 00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:51,200 physical injuries to the psychological 853 00:37:57,380 --> 00:37:53,880 events that took place during and after 854 00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:57,390 it to the investigation that has been 855 00:38:03,620 --> 00:37:59,940 ongoing since I was released from the 856 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:03,630 hospital yeah I feel like I've been 857 00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:07,770 living in the twilight zone and so so 858 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:09,390 that definitely takes the cake but 859 00:38:17,810 --> 00:38:14,730 outside of that you know I think I've 860 00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:17,820 got a hundred experiences out there on 861 00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:19,950 the ranch so they're disturbing that are 862 00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:25,320 are scary and I think if I could boil it 863 00:38:32,570 --> 00:38:27,390 down it's the emotions that the ranch 864 00:38:37,610 --> 00:38:32,580 makes you feel and I have experienced 865 00:38:39,590 --> 00:38:37,620 terror out on that ranch that goes 866 00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:39,600 beyond being scared I've never 867 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:42,660 experienced anything like it there's 868 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:48,090 been twice where I I mean it it had you 869 00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:49,650 know we see we're picking up these high 870 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:52,640 RF signals so these tight you know these 871 00:38:57,230 --> 00:38:54,570 frequencies that are going on out there 872 00:38:59,900 --> 00:38:57,240 I don't know if they're messing with my 873 00:39:05,240 --> 00:38:59,910 nervous system or what but this tear is 874 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:05,250 something that is is m'as shaking so bad 875 00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:08,010 both times that I could barely control 876 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:10,470 myself I I couldn't control it and it 877 00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:12,210 wasn't that I'd seen anything it wasn't 878 00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,440 I mean you know the one was accompanied 879 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:18,000 by voices warning me to get off the 880 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:21,930 ranch and I ignored it and and continued 881 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:23,610 to go across the ranch when I 882 00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:27,450 experienced the one time but it is ter 883 00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:31,260 that is so embedded I mean it just to 884 00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:36,270 your core that both times by the time I 885 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:38,310 made it home I continued to sit there 886 00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:40,260 shake like I almost like had Parkinson's 887 00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:43,140 or something for hours 12 hours 888 00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,390 afterwards to where I'm still shaking 889 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:46,560 uncontrollably and I've never 890 00:39:53,170 --> 00:39:49,530 experienced that type of fear terror in 891 00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,180 my life the ranch the ranch regularly 892 00:39:59,650 --> 00:39:56,640 plays on emotions I mean if I find if I 893 00:40:04,720 --> 00:39:59,660 start spending a lot of time out there 894 00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:04,730 it's almost like mood swings to where I 895 00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,800 I pride myself and have 896 00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:10,560 and trying to be even kill to try to be 897 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:13,980 consistent and to be measured in my 898 00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:17,010 responses and I will find and so it's 899 00:40:22,820 --> 00:40:19,560 very unlike me I find that I start 900 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:22,830 spending a lot of time out there that 901 00:40:28,940 --> 00:40:24,810 the smallest Jim has witnessed this I 902 00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:28,950 mean even in Jim's probably the next to 903 00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:30,060 my wife 904 00:40:36,110 --> 00:40:31,740 Jim is probably my closest friend and 905 00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:36,120 confidant on this planet and I mean I 906 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:37,740 could sit here all night in and tell you 907 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:39,810 good things about Jim and what a friend 908 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:43,170 he's been but even Jim has come on and 909 00:40:49,220 --> 00:40:45,330 just the smallest little thing set me 910 00:40:54,860 --> 00:40:49,230 off and Jim has with innocent Jesus he 911 00:40:59,780 --> 00:40:54,870 has been on the front end and so I don't 912 00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,790 know that ranch place you know before 913 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:01,680 the ranch and like like it's been 914 00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:03,210 alluded to we're business people I've 915 00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:05,400 owned and started several businesses 916 00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:09,300 have been successful I've held many 917 00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:10,920 leadership positions within the 918 00:41:19,070 --> 00:41:14,790 community and even some state positions 919 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:19,080 and and I've run several political 920 00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:20,850 campaigns and myself I had political 921 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:22,590 aspirations at looking at running for 922 00:41:27,050 --> 00:41:24,810 office one day and anytime you do that 923 00:41:28,610 --> 00:41:27,060 you always measure your responses you 924 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:28,620 know how could this come back to haunt 925 00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:30,930 me in three or four years or ten years 926 00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:33,390 you know what am i doing like I've 927 00:41:36,830 --> 00:41:35,430 always been very conscious about what 928 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:36,840 are the cell phones picking up and it's 929 00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:39,090 gonna show up in a campaign ad you know 930 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:40,980 twenty years down the road and that's 931 00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:43,170 the way I've lived my life but since 932 00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:44,240 coming up ranch 933 00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:46,350 you know I've pretty much thrown all 934 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:50,820 those things to the garbage because all 935 00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:54,330 hopes lofty no there's no chance of me 936 00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:57,000 running for office either hey you know 937 00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:58,920 what there are so many political people 938 00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:01,500 that have been involved in UFOs and the 939 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:05,520 paranormal presidents etc sharing their 940 00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:08,490 UFO sightings so it's not it's not out 941 00:42:12,350 --> 00:42:09,120 of the question 942 00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:12,360 and commend I commend all of you for all 943 00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:14,790 of those terrifying experiences and the 944 00:42:20,310 --> 00:42:16,920 good experiences for continuing to go on 945 00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:20,320 the ranch and work we are getting close 946 00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:21,880 running out of time so I want to do a 947 00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:25,680 quick rapid-fire we'll start with TJ a 948 00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:29,080 quick two-parter what was your favorite 949 00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:34,240 moment filming on season one and if you 950 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:37,750 could do any experiment if budget wasn't 951 00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:39,010 a question 952 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:43,390 what would it be my favorite always mrs. 953 00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:47,050 beebie ground penetrating radar and I'll 954 00:42:50,130 --> 00:42:48,550 keep these really succinct and if I 955 00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:50,140 could do any experiment it would be one 956 00:42:55,410 --> 00:42:51,430 that I proposed in the very beginning 957 00:42:57,660 --> 00:42:55,420 which was I want to take huge speakers 958 00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,670 and play welcome to the jungle by Guns 959 00:43:02,670 --> 00:42:59,920 and Roses and point the speakers at the 960 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:02,680 ground and every 15 feet just keep 961 00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:03,910 playing them and playing and playing 962 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:06,040 them to get the resonance of what's 963 00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:07,450 happening underneath so you could see 964 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:08,980 the vibrations and determine what the 965 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:11,140 ground is underneath but then you have 966 00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,210 Guns N'Roses so you know you could get a 967 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:15,040 little emotions out of it too so not 968 00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:17,530 just the GPR but the emotional response 969 00:43:24,750 --> 00:43:20,800 as well I bet you would be down to come 970 00:43:31,830 --> 00:43:24,760 on the roads one of the other you know 971 00:43:33,570 --> 00:43:31,840 be great all right Frank um you know the 972 00:43:36,810 --> 00:43:33,580 whole experience with the TV show was 973 00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:36,820 was crazy it's definitely nothing that 974 00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:39,070 I've ever you know participate in it's 975 00:43:43,590 --> 00:43:40,420 never thought anything I thought I would 976 00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:43,600 ever be a part of so I guess seeing how 977 00:43:50,190 --> 00:43:46,600 all that worked was pretty using some of 978 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:50,200 the results as to what I you know we 979 00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,490 were able to capture in that time frame 980 00:43:56,130 --> 00:43:54,160 because you know as you know dealing 981 00:43:57,540 --> 00:43:56,140 with the quote paranormal there's no 982 00:43:58,590 --> 00:43:57,550 scripting it there's no predicting 983 00:44:00,360 --> 00:43:58,600 what's going to happen so we're 984 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:00,370 fortunate that you know the ranch 985 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:02,530 reacted the way it did and you know I 986 00:44:06,570 --> 00:44:04,330 had probably one of the most profound 987 00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:06,580 visual experiences I've ever had when 988 00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:09,430 you know I witnessed the UFOs and you 989 00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:10,960 know there's some other things that you 990 00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,740 know that took place that were very I 991 00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:16,960 don't know they kind of they rocked my 992 00:44:24,540 --> 00:44:20,380 world a little bit as far as experiments 993 00:44:28,290 --> 00:44:24,550 go you know there's there's a lot of 994 00:44:31,230 --> 00:44:28,300 things that I would would love to see 995 00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,240 happen if if budget budget wasn't an 996 00:44:36,949 --> 00:44:35,479 you know but there's a simple one that I 997 00:44:40,219 --> 00:44:36,959 would like to see too and you know we 998 00:44:42,859 --> 00:44:40,229 have our ranch dog William that I'll 999 00:44:45,469 --> 00:44:42,869 tell you that dog he knows where all the 1000 00:44:46,969 --> 00:44:45,479 secrets lie I begin to wonder I ask him 1001 00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,979 face-to-face if he's a skinwalker 1002 00:44:51,769 --> 00:44:49,680 because you'll be going along and he'll 1003 00:44:54,049 --> 00:44:51,779 be walking along the Mesa and you'll see 1004 00:44:56,209 --> 00:44:54,059 him one second then he's gone and then 1005 00:44:59,539 --> 00:44:56,219 he appears again somewhere else you know 1006 00:45:01,160 --> 00:44:59,549 a couple a few hundred yards away behind 1007 00:45:02,809 --> 00:45:01,170 a rock or he just disappears all 1008 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:02,819 together and he's a black dog I mean 1009 00:45:07,299 --> 00:45:04,890 there's it's crazy and so I'd like to 1010 00:45:12,049 --> 00:45:07,309 actually rake him up with cameras and 1011 00:45:15,890 --> 00:45:12,059 and have him who has free rein he's not 1012 00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:15,900 constrained by anything like that go and 1013 00:45:21,979 --> 00:45:19,319 just do his thing and then be able to 1014 00:45:23,959 --> 00:45:21,989 you know see where he goes what he does 1015 00:45:26,209 --> 00:45:23,969 you know what he discovers what he sees 1016 00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:26,219 things like that because you know he's 1017 00:45:31,309 --> 00:45:28,670 very intuitive that dog and he knows 1018 00:45:33,019 --> 00:45:31,319 Thomas has witnessed he's basically 1019 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:33,029 tried to stop him from going to places 1020 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:34,529 on the ranch where he'll step in front 1021 00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,089 of the vehicle and not let him go 1022 00:45:39,799 --> 00:45:37,920 because he can sense that there's 1023 00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:39,809 something going on so I know it's not 1024 00:45:44,329 --> 00:45:42,329 the most expensive crazy thing and I and 1025 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:44,339 you know we do get a chance to do this 1026 00:45:49,819 --> 00:45:47,130 again I'd like to pitch that you know to 1027 00:45:52,789 --> 00:45:49,829 the production people because I really 1028 00:45:54,529 --> 00:45:52,799 think you know he's a ground level eyes 1029 00:45:57,229 --> 00:45:54,539 on the ground and he's seen about every 1030 00:45:59,359 --> 00:45:57,239 inch of that place and I'm sure if he 1031 00:46:01,609 --> 00:45:59,369 could talk we have some amazing stories 1032 00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,619 to tell there you go they make doggy 1033 00:46:06,259 --> 00:46:03,599 harnesses for GoPros it's whether the 1034 00:46:08,959 --> 00:46:06,269 GoPro behaves on the the ranch that's 1035 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:08,969 the real question so Jim Jim how about 1036 00:46:23,539 --> 00:46:14,729 you you know I'm flattered to be a part 1037 00:46:27,819 --> 00:46:23,549 of the team but to be frank with you I 1038 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:27,829 see the airline so I wear a hat and 1039 00:46:33,709 --> 00:46:31,170 overweight and so I really insulate 1040 00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:33,719 myself you look you guys I'm flattered 1041 00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:36,839 when they call me Uncle Jim but there's 1042 00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:39,089 some this isn't just Hollywood this 1043 00:46:43,339 --> 00:46:40,380 isn't just Talent 1044 00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,349 I mean you get guys like Travis on there 1045 00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:45,839 Eric and dr. segala 1046 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:47,640 these these are the real 1047 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:49,290 still these these aren't one of these 1048 00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,010 you know so these guys flatter me they 1049 00:46:59,770 --> 00:46:56,160 insulate me there's a level of respect 1050 00:47:03,230 --> 00:46:59,780 and love that we have for each other 1051 00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:03,240 there's unconditional love that goes to 1052 00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:07,440 it but the wrath of that ranch is as 1053 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:11,040 Thomas alluded to is real you know I've 1054 00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:17,970 been I run a river but that ranch and I 1055 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:20,550 can't bring up names I've watched it 1056 00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:23,450 literally just prick the personality and 1057 00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,300 in couple cases you as we're heading 1058 00:47:33,550 --> 00:47:28,800 back into Salt Lake City you think that 1059 00:47:36,830 --> 00:47:33,560 was actresses going on in the car and 1060 00:47:39,590 --> 00:47:36,840 it's gonna be an instant season if they 1061 00:47:41,330 --> 00:47:39,600 have another one because as Brandon 1062 00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:41,340 fugle always says we're just getting 1063 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:44,940 warmed up and it's a pretty there's a 1064 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:47,850 phenomenon out there that it'll be 1065 00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:50,010 interesting to see how it embraces us 1066 00:47:57,590 --> 00:47:55,070 and we embrace the phenomena thank you 1067 00:47:59,810 --> 00:47:57,600 absolutely and uncle Jim you look great 1068 00:48:03,350 --> 00:47:59,820 on camera don't worry we're I think 1069 00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:03,360 everyone's tends to be self-critical and 1070 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:04,740 when they see themselves on camera 1071 00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:08,130 myself included and that's the best in 1072 00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:08,640 the business 1073 00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:16,110 Uncle Jim let's finish up with you 1074 00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:22,680 Thomas um so my favorite has to do with 1075 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:27,150 Travis and when Travis first came on I 1076 00:48:31,340 --> 00:48:29,370 really from the things that were said I 1077 00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:31,350 really feel like he thought that we were 1078 00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:34,920 bunch of crazy dummies matter of fact I 1079 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:36,630 think it's exact words were that we were 1080 00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:41,250 all batshit crazy and and say that I 1081 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:44,310 have worked alongside closely with the 1082 00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,130 principal investigator Eric bard I don't 1083 00:48:49,850 --> 00:48:48,480 know that I've ever had the privilege of 1084 00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:49,860 speaking someone that has more 1085 00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:53,910 intelligence more common sense I I will 1086 00:48:56,060 --> 00:48:55,740 take Eric bard to the bank any day of 1087 00:49:00,560 --> 00:48:56,070 the week 1088 00:49:01,339 --> 00:49:00,570 and that guy is the smartest man I've 1089 00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:01,349 ever been around 1090 00:49:07,450 --> 00:49:04,529 Bar None and and watching how methodical 1091 00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,460 how meticulous he's been in this 1092 00:49:14,059 --> 00:49:09,839 investigation from the beginning very 1093 00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:14,069 disciplined very patient and completely 1094 00:49:19,789 --> 00:49:17,940 unbiased and so I have to say the 1095 00:49:22,609 --> 00:49:19,799 beginning of the season I was kind of 1096 00:49:24,259 --> 00:49:22,619 insulted with Travis and and his 1097 00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:24,269 connotations that we didn't know what 1098 00:49:28,759 --> 00:49:26,579 the hell we were doing he's very 1099 00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:28,769 protective of Eric and his science I 1100 00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:30,329 will just tell you right now 1101 00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:32,910 that man knows way more than he will 1102 00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:34,920 ever share publicly I'll just tell it 1103 00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:35,430 leave it at that 1104 00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:38,640 so my favorite part of the season is I 1105 00:49:42,529 --> 00:49:40,859 think it's episode five and it 1106 00:49:44,539 --> 00:49:42,539 corresponds with us with the scene that 1107 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:44,549 happened off the camera the cameras had 1108 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:46,890 just quit rolling for the day Travis 1109 00:49:50,829 --> 00:49:49,170 comes out we just matter of fact I think 1110 00:49:54,739 --> 00:49:50,839 it was right after he got some radiation 1111 00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,749 you know it shows he walks out and he 1112 00:49:59,989 --> 00:49:56,400 throws his arms up in the air and says I 1113 00:50:01,400 --> 00:49:59,999 think I'm batshit crazy and then I think 1114 00:50:02,809 --> 00:50:01,410 it does show in the episode where he 1115 00:50:05,989 --> 00:50:02,819 says there's a good chance that Eric 1116 00:50:07,940 --> 00:50:05,999 Eric was right and and you know so me 1117 00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,950 sitting at home on my TV I'm yelling 1118 00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:09,359 hell yeah there's right there chance 1119 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:11,160 Eric's right that was that was highlight 1120 00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:17,130 of season as far as uh experiments my 1121 00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:19,140 wife and my life revolve around 1122 00:50:24,499 --> 00:50:22,049 frequency she is a resident composer and 1123 00:50:26,749 --> 00:50:24,509 what she does is deals with frequency so 1124 00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:26,759 if I could do anything we'd bring a 1125 00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:29,099 grand piano on the ranch on a specific 1126 00:50:34,219 --> 00:50:31,529 place on the ranch that I would put this 1127 00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:34,229 piano on and we would play with some 1128 00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,660 frequency I've had some pretty 1129 00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:38,160 knowledgeable people that claim that 1130 00:50:43,219 --> 00:50:39,660 with the right frequencies you could 1131 00:50:45,799 --> 00:50:43,229 open portals and so I think it would be 1132 00:50:46,339 --> 00:50:45,809 fun to but if I had my way I could do 1133 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:46,349 anything 1134 00:50:50,509 --> 00:50:48,930 it'd be bring my wife on with piano and 1135 00:50:53,479 --> 00:50:50,519 play with some frequency on the ranch 1136 00:50:56,269 --> 00:50:53,489 that would be a concert I would attend 1137 00:51:00,499 --> 00:50:56,279 for sure sounds like we have a lot of 1138 00:51:02,930 --> 00:51:00,509 musical things going on here so thank 1139 00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,940 you all so much for joining us this was 1140 00:51:06,769 --> 00:51:04,559 really insightful and you know Eric 1141 00:51:09,709 --> 00:51:06,779 unfortunately wasn't able to join us 1142 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:09,719 tonight but I agree with you Thomas he's 1143 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:11,729 a really fascinating and incredibly 1144 00:51:17,780 --> 00:51:13,890 intelligent scientist 1145 00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,790 and great guy so you know I encourage 1146 00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:19,920 the audience if you have not watched the 1147 00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:21,660 show yet watch the show and then 1148 00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:23,790 afterwards come and check out the 1149 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:25,500 skinwalker debrief because we get to 1150 00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:27,930 speak to all these gentlemen more 1151 00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,030 in-depth and you get to see things and 1152 00:51:34,340 --> 00:51:31,920 hear things that you did not see on 1153 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:34,350 camera so we're all crossing our fingers 1154 00:51:41,180 --> 00:51:37,890 for a season two and we'll keep you